Posts by TJ - iAmCleared2Land

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So....What Do You Think Happens When We Die???

by minimus in

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friends

are we going to heaven hell, purgatory?

are we able to sense anything?

do we really die??

TJ - iAmCleared2Land

I have seen a toilet seat left up, flipped down

Gravity. :-) It's scarier when it goes the OTHER way.

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i have found that at every assembly being circuit, district or one day, they are always, always in deficit, why is this, at the last circuit assembly they said that it cost 6,000 for electicity for two days, and that to me was just embarrassing, i asked the sister next to me if what i heard was correct, and yes she said in debt for the weekend because of electricity.. another thing is the soliciting of property from older ones, i know that they do this with anyone that has property (especially older ones that have no heirs).

to leave their assets to the wts, because the governments will take it if you die.

but also what they can leave to the wts would be appreciated if they have family heirs left, i have seen this soliciting in the wt mags on occastions.. what is you're experience if any on this.. cheers.

TJ - iAmCleared2Land

The Borg even has a brochure you could order from the Treasurer's office about "financial planning" (yeah, right)...I think you can still order it (the elders used to keep a copy, but no more).

Snakes,

I still have a copy of that brochure, "Planning for Charitable Giving", that I can scan if anybody wants to see it.

Troy

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RECOMMENDED SONG TITLES FOR JW YEAR TEXTS

by steve2 in

you keep me hanging on.

it's too late.

i feel the earth move..... .

TJ - iAmCleared2Land

Oh, this is fun!

SHOULD I STAY OR SHOULD I GO - Clash

UP WHERE WE BELONG - Joe Cocker and Jennifer Warnes

HURTS SO GOOD - John Cougar

THIS TIME I KNOW IT'S FOR REAL - Donna Summer

THE SEARCH IS OVER - Survivor

IS THERE SOMETHING I SHOULD KNOW? - Duran Duran

I KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON - Frida

THE FUTURE'S SO BRIGHT, I GOTTA WEAR SHADES - Timbuk 3

I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR - U2

PATIENCE - Guns N Roses

DIRTY LAUNDRY - Don Henley

I WILL SURVIVE - Gloria Gaynor

IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT - R.E.M.

ALWAYS SOMETHING THERE TO REMIND ME - Naked Eyes

THE WAY IT IS - Bruce Hornsby

DON'T STOP BELIEVIN' - Journey

IT AIN'T OVER TIL IT'S OVER - Lenny Kravitz

DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY - Bobby McFerrin

THAT WAS THEN, THIS IS NOW - The Monkeys

WHO CAN IT BE NOW - Men at Work

PROMISES, PROMISES - Naked Eyes

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Parody of Song 113: "We're No Longer Witnesses!"

by TJ - iAmCleared2Land in

being in "the truth" forever, i keep (frustratingly) finding myself humming kingdom songs unintentionally.

it frustrates me when i find myself doing it!.

so today i got this song in my head, and couldn't get it unstuck, so i decided to write alternate lyrics to it... when i get that tune in my head now, i'll have words that work!

TJ - iAmCleared2Land

Ha! Sorry about getting the song stuck in your head. I tried to match the original rhymes... the ending syllables are identical to the original song, as nearly as possible. What can I say, it was a therapeutic use of a mental irritation.

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Husbands cousin found dead in Sherman TX

by megsmomma in

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friends

she was only 24, and found dead yesterday.

there has been bad flooding there(people missing and others found dead).....so that may have been a factor, but they are doing an autopsy on her....does that mean there might have been foul play?

she had a troubled life, so we wouldn't rule out someone hurting her.

TJ - iAmCleared2Land

Meg'sMomma,

I'm so sorry. I'm in North Fort Worth, and that same storm dumped a TON of rain at our house from 11pm to 3am Sunday night/Monday morning. When I left for work Monday AM, there were 3 helicopters hovering less than a mile south of my home--a mom and her family had been trying to flee their rain-swollen home when the current literally ripped her 4-year old daugher from her arms--the poor angel was found dead a quarter mile downstream, by a bridge. In the same neighborhood a 5-year old little boy was airlifted to the hospital when his home exploded from a gas main that broke in the raging waters. This kind of stuff always causes me to question the concept of a "loving God".

Anyway, I'm not far from Sherman, in all reality... if there is ANYTHING I can do to help, please PM me.

Troy

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Parody of Song 113: "We're No Longer Witnesses!"

by TJ - iAmCleared2Land in

being in "the truth" forever, i keep (frustratingly) finding myself humming kingdom songs unintentionally.

it frustrates me when i find myself doing it!.

so today i got this song in my head, and couldn't get it unstuck, so i decided to write alternate lyrics to it... when i get that tune in my head now, i'll have words that work!

TJ - iAmCleared2Land

Being in "the truth" forever, I keep (frustratingly) finding myself humming Kingdom Songs unintentionally. It FRUSTRATES ME when I find myself doing it!

So today I got this song in my head, and couldn't get it unstuck, so I decided to write alternate lyrics to it... when I get that tune in my head now, I'll have words that WORK! SING ALONG!!

I hope others will write and post parodies of other songs.... this could be fun, and therapeutic!

Song 113

We're No Longer Witnesses!
(Isaiah 43:10-12)

1. Some would be a Witness clone,
Mental powers they've not grown.
Disregarding hist'ry,
As they've often shown.
When shown inconsistency
See them fidget nervously!
"That's what the Faithful Slave says is true;
Thus I believe, and so should you!"

(Chorus)

2. 'We're His Witnesses,' they've said.
'Come with us or else you're dead!
We know God Jehovah,
He made US your Head!!!
Paradise we promise you;
Dates we pull from our wazoo.
Stop questioning, and get in the car!
Prove that our witnesses you are.'

(Chorus)

3. Once you're free it's not the same,
No more will you play their game!
No!! You are NOT wicked
Tho' they'll defame your name.
Welcome to the world, my friend,
Live your life, you're free of them!
Thus a non-witness finds joy and peace;
How good it is to be released!!

(CHORUS)

We're no longer Witnesses!
We speak out in fearlessness.
Our mind's not fooled by false prophecy;
What they fortell fails to be!

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What to say about the magazines. June 2007 (Morals,Money&Family) 2nd half.

by LtCmd.Lore in

jw: "where does the bible say that?".

jw: "by the bible!".

" open the family happiness book to page 169, and read the first two sentences of paragraph 17. then ask for a response.

TJ - iAmCleared2Land

That's hilarious!

JW louder: "What do you think?"
Me: "Because I ran out of deoderant today."

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Watching the World- church steeples used for cell phone equipment

by OnTheWayOut in

watching the world (articles at the back of awake!

mags) are usually offered.

with no comments.

TJ - iAmCleared2Land

Jourles - is there any documentation about the cell tower at WT Farm? That would be a good thing to remind them of in a flood of letters, put on web sites, hmmmm, maybe a You-Tube video :-)

Here's a picture I took with my own hands in March 2005... seems it's TRUE!

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Jephthah's Sacrifice of his Daughter - real or figurative "burnt offering?"

by B_Deserter in

while reading richard dawkins' book "the god delusion," he talked about jephthah's sacrificial slaughter of his own daughter.

i was utterly shocked.

after all, "my book of bible stories" taught me that he sent her away to jehovah's service, like a nun or something.

TJ - iAmCleared2Land

This is an interesting thread. The basic answer, I think, is "we do not know" for sure what Jephthah did. The Scriptures don't say.

However, it's not just JW's that feel that he may have consecrated her to sacred service at the tabernacle.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/comm_read.pl?book=Jdg&chapter=11&verse=39&Comm=Comm%2Fdavid_guzik%2Fsg%2FJdg_11.html%230%26*David+Guzik%26&Select.x=16&Select.y=7

2. (30-31) Jephthah makes a rash vow, thinking it will help his cause before God.

And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord , and said, "If You will indeed deliver the people of Ammon into my hands, then it will be that whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the people of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up as a burnt offering."

a. Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: Though well intentioned, this was a foolish vow. Such vows can be attempts to get God "on our side." It is far more important to be on God's side than to try and persuade Him to be on your side.

i. Even a Spirit-filled man can do foolish things. The Holy Spirit does not overwhelm and control us, He guides us - and that guidance can be resisted or ignored at smaller or greater points.

b. Whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me . . . I will offer it up as a burnt offering: Jephthah did not have a human sacrifice in mind. This is indicated by the ancient Hebrew grammar: "The masculine gender could be translated 'whatever comes out' or 'whoever comes out' and 'I will sacrifice it.' " (Wolf)

i. Commentator Adam Clarke agreed that according to the most accurate Hebrew scholars, the best translation is I will consecrate it to the Lord , or I will offer it for a burnt-offering. As he wrote, "If it be a thing fit for a burnt-offering, it shall be made one; if fit for the service of God, it shall be consecrated to him."

ii. Human sacrifice was strictly forbidden by the Mosaic Law in passages such as Leviticus 18:21 and Deuteronomy 12:31. It is almost certain that Jephthah was familiar with such passages because when he negotiatiated with the Ammonites, has demonstrated that he knew God's Word.

3. (32-33) God grants Israel victory over the Ammonites.

So Jephthah advanced toward the people of Ammon to fight against them, and the Lord delivered them into his hands. And he defeated them from Aroer as far as Minnith; twenty cities; and to Abel Keramim, with a very great slaughter. Thus the people of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.

a. And the Lord delievered them into his hands: God won a great and important victory for Israel through Jephthah. He overcame bitterness and family rejection to meet a great need. Despite his difficulty past, God still wonderfully used him.

4. (34-35) A difficult vow to fulfill.

When Jephthah came to his house at Mizpah, there was his daughter, coming out to meet him with timbrels and dancing; and she was his only child. Besides her he had neither son nor daughter. And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he tore his clothes, and said, "Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low! You are among those who trouble me! For I have given my word to the Lord , and I cannot go back on it."

a. When he saw her, he tore his clothes: Jephthah made his foolish vow sincerely, fully intending to keep it. Yet he had not seriously considered the consequences of the vow. Therefore he was grieved when his daughter was first to greet him out of his house.

b. I have given my word to the Lord , and I cannot go back on it: Jephthah knew the importance of keeping our vows to God. He would keep an oath even when it was to his own hurt (Psalm 15:4)

i. Ecclesiastes 5:1-2 and 5:4-6 speak of the danger of making foolish vows. This passage makes it clear that it is better to not make vows at all than to make foolish vows. This does not mean that vows are bad - they can be good. It means we must take them seriously. Christians need to take seriously the sin of broken vows, and when we see them we must either repent and keep them or repent of your foolishness in ever making the vow, and seek His release from the vow.

5. (36-40) Jephthah fulfills his vow to God.

So she said to him, "My father, if you have given your word to the Lord , do to me according to what has gone out of your mouth, because the Lord has avenged you of your enemies, the people of Ammon." Then she said to her father, "Let this thing be done for me: let me alone for two months, that I may go and wander on the mountains and bewail my virginity, my friends and I." So he said, "Go." And he sent her away for two months; and she went with her friends, and bewailed her virginity on the mountains. And it was so at the end of two months that she returned to her father, and he carried out his vow with her which he had vowed. She knew no man. And it became a custom in Israel that the daughters of Israel went four days each year to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.

a. He carried out his vow with her which he had vowed: Some think that Jephthah did really offer his daughter as a burnt offering. If he did, this was clearly an example of misguided zeal for God, because God never asked him to make such a foolish vow or to fulfill it so foolishly.

i. Later in their history, Israel began to serve a terrible pagan god named Molech, who was "worshipped" with child sacrifice in the most terrible way imaginable. God never asked to be served in this terrible way, and therefore it can't be blamed on God.

b. She went with her friends, and bewailed her virginity . . . She knew no man: These words indicate that it is more likely that Jephthah set his daughter aside for the tabernacle service according to the principle of Leviticus 27:2-4, where persons set apart to God in a vow are not required to be sacrificed (as animals were) but were "given" to the tabernacle in monetary value.

i. We know that there were women who were set apart for the tabernacle service; they were called the women who assembled at the door of the tabernacle of meeting (Exodus 38:8; 1 Samuel 2:22). It is likely that Jephthah's daughter became one of these women who served at the tabernacle.

ii. His daughter and friends rightly sorrow that she was given to the tabernacle service before she was ever married. Probably most the women who assembled at the door of the tabernacle were older widows.

iii. By sending his unmarried, only daughter to the service of the tabernacle for the rest of her life, it shows how seriously both Jephthah and his daughter took his promise to God.

iv. This seems like the best explanation because Jephthah is listed as a hero of the faith (Hebrews 11:32). It is hard to think of him as doing something so contrary to God's ways as offering his daughter as a human sacrifice.

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You don't want your kids to die, do you??

by TJ - iAmCleared2Land in

'if not, you better get them out to preach six hours a day during summer break!!'.

this is my first post here... i stopped associating a just about a year ago, serving as an elder (wt conductor) up until i stopped going.

multi-generational jw, baptized 1984, pioneered, all that stuff.

TJ - iAmCleared2Land

'If not, you better get them out to preach six hours a day during summer break!!'

This is my first post here... I stopped associating a just about a year ago, serving as an elder (WT conductor) up until I stopped going. Multi-generational JW, baptized 1984, pioneered, all that stuff. That's another story, but just to give you a quick background. I'll post a story later, I suppose.

I ran across this scan through another thread, and this page was originally scanned to show that in 1941 the organization taught that there were mere months to go before Armageddon, but... it ALSO discusses Rutherford's handing out "autographed copies" (?!? "glory to men"?) of the book Children to the kids at the convention. It was not the "remaining months before Armageddon" comment that caught my eye, but rather this one, that follows, that shocked my sensibilities as a parent.

(Remember that they felt the Ancient Worthies (Heb 11) would be coming back to earth as Princes to guide those in the New Order, thus the reference to Daniel, David, etc.)

…be able to give you girls proper advice, you girls who are looking for a husband. When you see Daniel, David, Moses, and all the prophets, listen to what they have to say, and they will properly advise you boys and girls. I am going to have handed to every one of you 15,000 children one of these books as a gracious gift. I ask that you first study it faithfully. Ask someone else to sit with you under the shade of a tree and study that which leads to life and endless blessings… It is your privilege between now and before the day school opens to spend six hours a day in taking the book Children to others. The parents should encourage their children to do this very thing,

if they would have them live .

Can you believe that?!

Emotional extortion, I say! Sounds like the soup Nazi in Seinfeld… "No Summer Vacation for YOU, lest you DIE in a few months!!"

The next paragraph says that "many, including strong men, wept at the demonstration [seeing the kids filing down to get books]". I wonder how many of them were crying because they thought their kids were gonna die in a few more months!

Original scan: http://www.jwfiles.com/scans/WT9-15-41p288.htm

TJ